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and I think I actually want to start by

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telling you guys a story mark beaucoup

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Zia and I were at Geary Schwartz's lab

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for a number of years at the University

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of Arizona we also did biophoton imaging

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there and we did things like gamma and

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x-ray detection and we worked on plants

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and worked on people but for a long time

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when we first got in the roper

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scientific biophoton imaging system

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which is a lovely $70,000 toy that the

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optical sciences lab got for us we

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didn't have a standard black box to put

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it in and we finally got a grant in and

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it came in and I went running into

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Gary's office and I said it's spirits

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here in the boxes here and he looked at

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me and he went only a scientist would be

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it's a perspective on what's exciting

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one of the challenges that we have

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within energy healing is that there are

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thousands of styles of energy healing

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bill just expressed his but there are

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7,000 versions of chi-gong there are a

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hundred and twenty-six versions of you

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sue a Reiki and there are oh good 50

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versions of full-spectrum healing and

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things like that so one of the

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challenges that scientists have

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particularly if they're not

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practitioners themselves is how in the

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heck do I test this what do I get

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that's going to provide me any kind of

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reliable information starting into this

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I need to say thank you I need to say

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thank you to Gary I need to say thank

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you to Iris and to Ann and just for the

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record I don't do my own statistics I am

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dyslexic

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A's and stats I don't do it I send it to

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either Gary or to James a cough if you

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have questions about my statistics you

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we have done 14 studies with multiple

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trials the studies actually started in

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the fall of 2003 and continued on the

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very first study was presented in 2004

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and the studies have ranged from a point

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zero one two as you can see six zeroes

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in front of the one depending on the

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trial depending on the instrument when

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we have the largest of the studies

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before this one we did nine of the

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elements in the test not all 15 which is

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in this last test we did do 200 actives

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and 30 controls be aware that the

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controls were not able to do a number of

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these tests all right I can't include

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the control data in the particular data

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I'm sending I'm sharing with you today

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it's under a different IRB so we are

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actually running a set of controls now

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under the current IRB so that I can

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share more of that and I will send go

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ahead and share specifics as I go the

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current test is actually has over 500

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people we managed to get 213 recorded

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into the spreadsheets before we went

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ahead and we're analyzing the data to

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bring to you guys so with the meter

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measures it's a point oh five in some of

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the other measures it gets really yummy

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these are some of the key findings that

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are presented I'm sorry it's small I

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number of trials and the amount of work

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that's been done to develop the test we

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have individually tested each section of

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the test we have individually worked

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energy medicine practitioners on-site

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and an Eden Training Program class we

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went to Healing Touch Program and tested

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83 people in 3 days at a healing touch

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program conference so that's the

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kind of work that we've been doing to

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try and one get information out to the

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community and to get a broad spectrum of

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the healing practitioners in this

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particular group there have been 20

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different versions of energy healing

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that have been in this 500 of the

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predominant groups there have been the

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occasional small group practitioner and

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significance it's down on the bottom

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change from baseline is key so we

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baseline the room we go ahead and put

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the healers hands in place when we ask

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them to turn on and off the wave there's

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been a problem in the energy healing

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community with lots and lots of drama

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associated with it oh I can't stop

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running Reiki I'm attuned sorry

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probably not the Politis thing to say

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but it's a problem it's a violation and

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it's absolutely inappropriate for a

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healing practitioner to work on someone

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without someones express verbal

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permission this is the data logging

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multimeter

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bucks at Home Depot and we were looking

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at galvanic skin response type voltage

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effects both in AC and DC and we were

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able to see something that I think is

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very important within the healing

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paradigm if somebody's sick they're

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stuck what does the healer do they make

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it wiggle and when they make it wiggle

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everything changes now it may wiggle

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more negatively for a bit but you

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destabilize the stuck system and so what

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previous test with the tri-axial extra

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low-frequency magnetic field meter and

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with the data logging multimeter and

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see moving for

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wiggle we asked them to turn on the wave

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and turn off the wave and we're looking

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at the oscillations both of strength and

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of amplitude in specific frequency

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ranges and over the course of this test

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reliable as a measure I took this on the

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road and I actually became very very

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concerned about experimenter effects so

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teams that would take the data out and

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labs who've also replicated stuff Jay

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there was a direct experimenter effect

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handheld spectrum analyzer how many

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people here know Carl Merritt okay we've

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got some but not a lot all right Carl's

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an electrical engineer as well as being

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an MD and he's also my cousin so when I

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have a good electrical engineering

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question I go take it to Carl and I say

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does this pass muster and this spectrum

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analyzer actually passed the carl test

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it was really lovely one of the things

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this spectrum analyzer was looking in

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particular frequency ranges and we were

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changes in DB that were not seeing in

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the controls and the controls that I've

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got running right now I've had one

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practitioner that I brought in excuse me

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that managed to produce some of the RF

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field effects that person happens to be

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a veterinary assistant so I'm not

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entirely sure it was a clean selection

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fliers at Starbucks and call in and say

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they're interested in coming and getting

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tested and a whole stack of ranchers

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and I posted it on the mailboxes out

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near the house and this is a very very

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large area mailboxes are two-and-a-half

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perspective so there are a fair number

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of people looking at it

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something that I actually hadn't

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expected in the beginning now

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palm chakra and I want to translate this

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visual I come from a lineage that's

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3,000 years old of women doing this work

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we were part of the shadow lanes of

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Europe you proved that you had the right

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to rule because you did miracles on

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feast days so I started being trained in

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this stuff at the age of four and my

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grandmother's rose garden and anyone who

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wants to do a viewing on at your welcome

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you can see me standing there going you

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know kinds of things the process that

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fields in the hands and some lovely

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lovely work was done by Anne Baldwin at

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University of Arizona looking at micro

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capillary dilation of the hands and she

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found that actually hands charge within

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traditional lines so I mentioned that

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point which is here and if you come and

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find me afterwards I'll actually show it

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to you you'll see it pop up I can I can

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make it charge in such a way you can see

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it pretty clearly and in the RF field

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hand we do a sweep and a sweep and then

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we hold and we hold approximately across

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interesting and one of the most exciting

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test is that they literally go through a

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transformation process while they take

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the test most of the people that I'm

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testing are long-term practitioners

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we've found that if people have 3 years

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paid healings actually I don't know if

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Larry's still here but it was his group

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at Samuel Ali that developed this

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definition of three years six paid

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healings per week as a defining

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professional characteristic we found

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that actually when people hit that point

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they do take the test fairly reliably

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this test is not perfect for all types

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of healing I can't begin to claim that

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yet all right but this is a starting

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place and the cousteau meter actually

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allows the practitioner to hear what

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their hands are doing and it's been a

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fascinating experience to have one

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earplug in mind and one earplug that

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they get to listen to and have them hear

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what their hands are doing it's it's the

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joy that goes across someone's face in

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that moment when they've spent 30 years

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standing in surrender and in trust is

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glorious it's a magnificent moment to

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experience so again the spectrum

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analyzer is more reliable than the

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acoustic it is to be expected but some

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very very nice results in radio

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frequency and looking specifically at

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the strength of the form we also used a

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version of the bio L which is an earlier

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characteristics the GD v is actually a

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diagnostic device in 32 countries and

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it's on the space

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and the US thinks it's highly

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experimental what's wrong with this

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750 studies at the physics Institute in

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Leningrad and we consider it highly

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experimental hmm so 10-minute healings

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the first one the practitioner has to

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work on themselves we do a baseline

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image of the fingers then they have to

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select something that they're going to

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work on they get 10 minutes to do the

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healing when we started the tests we

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actually gave them a full hour and we

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found it wasn't necessary so over the

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years we've reduced it to a 10 minute

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spot healing and we asked the

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practitioners to make a physiological

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change in the body as measured by the

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gas emission and in that process as you

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can see we have an 84% of the people

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tested we're able to do this

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successfully then we hand them a client

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that they don't know and the client gets

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baseline fingers and the client selects

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what they want to have change and the

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healer is given 10 minutes to make the

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change now different from Bill's

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technique where there is no specific

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process and there is no specific flow

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necessarily and it happens because

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healing is necessary this is actually a

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push wave driven when you think about

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the energies you need to think about the

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mechanics of waves push pull stop allow

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grounded flow modulating flow flatten

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wave add noise to a way that information

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depth color all sorts of pieces like

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that makes a difference

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next one and one that I consider

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extremely important is the pH and the

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alkalinity of the process the if you

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have someone who is ill the big killer

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is inflammation if you can change the ph

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of water you can change the ph of blood

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therefore you can affect inflammation so

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we take water we have it normalized

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it's it's out for 48 hours which is

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scientific standard and then we have the

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healer has 10 minutes to make a change

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in the pH the device is sensitive to a

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point one digit the average actually is

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a point five the median is a point five

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digit change and data is actually

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significant to a0001 for this particular

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group alkalinity is not as strong and

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one of the most interesting things is a

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split decision because we had people

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change out validity and not change pH we

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had people change pH up and down and not

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change alkalinity we had people move

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alkalinity up and pH went up or it went

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down or it stayed absolutely the same

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and so it's really interesting and we

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need to go back and look at the

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correlative responses because I think

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the more interesting data even then the

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fact that they were able to make a

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change though it's very valid and very

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important is going to be how they're

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manipulating the matter because they are

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manipulating matter this is a cold read

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and client questions we simply want to

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confirm that a practitioner is competent

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to speak to their client and we want to

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be sure that if they do a medical

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intuitive type read that they're

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actually doing a relatively competent

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job frankly I think most of them need

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anatomy and physiology I it's kind of my

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Bugaboo healers need to take anatomy and

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physiology it's disrespectful to the

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humans to not do that gives you some

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percentage perspective okay broadcast

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frequency counter chakra is an

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electromagnetic field produced by a

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now we get lots and lots of airy-fairy

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information about chakras but I'm sorry

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I'm a hardcore visual and I've been

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looking at it for 61 years okay if you

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don't believe me that's fine

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learn to see and then you can come back

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and talk to me and say that I'm wrong

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but if you have not learned to see go do

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the measurement

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don't play with airy-fairy a chakra is

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produced by a nerve plexus it is the

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electromagnetic field which acts much

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the same way a whirlpool does and it

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pulls current in and sends current out

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it is part of your early warning system

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so that you know where the lion is in

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the jungle so you don't get eaten a

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broadcast frequency counter is a passive

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measurement it allows you to check in

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the center of the chakra whether or not

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the person is actually charging in that

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area a standard technique within the

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healing community is to do a thing

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called ground and charge and one of the

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lovely things that we found is in the 3

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megahertz and 300 megahertz and the 3

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gigahertz range is that the second

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chakra was consistently depressed

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welcome to Puritanism and then we did a

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physiology suite this is again a

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bog-standard biofeedback suite developed

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by thought technologies they've been

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around they're one of the oldest

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biofeedback companies in the world this

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is a package that can be fielded out to

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a remote site I've taken it to six

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countries so you can take it the

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airline's get a little weird but they're

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coping if you call them in advance and

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let them know so we do have a fair

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amount of data that supports the fact

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that the practitioners can be tested

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prior to a scientific evaluation to show

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whether or not they're suitable to use

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in the laboratory which may help get a

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floor underneath whether or not we go

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forward with a particular practitioner

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and I think I'm pretty much out of time

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thank you all open for questions thank

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you very much for that talk it would

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seem that you have a lot of different

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measures to be used on each potential

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healer how do you determine sort of

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aggregate lis whether or not a

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particular healer is suitable in the

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sense that you you're going to have to

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do some kind of summation of all these

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or you know in some fashion you're going

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to have to to figure out what measures

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are more important or how to sum or how

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to average them and I would imagine

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different healers different types of

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healers would do better on some measures

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than others so how do you how do you

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sort all that out at this point we

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haven't at this point we've just been

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getting a test to start with because

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there are so many different types of

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healers we can now begin to norm within

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healing school lines we are in the

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process of doing that statistically and

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we're in the process of being able to

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better evaluate but the key tests would

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be our a field oscillation extra

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low-frequency magnetic field oscillation

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and changing the pH those are the ones

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that I would really like to see be the

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primary measures having said that it

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takes about two hours we provide the

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practitioner with a certificate we are

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hoping to do 25,000 practitioners over

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the course of the next five years

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they're almost a million laying on of

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hands healers in the country right now

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it's an over eight billion dollar a year

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industry so if we can get a cadre of

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people that have been appropriately

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tested hopefully they bring their

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certificate to the lab and it makes

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I heard that astronomer from Ireland who

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works with SETI has a longitudinal wave

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detectors and emission emitters could

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that be an appropriate way to try to

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measure healers say no conventional

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energies emitted by them I would love to

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go look I don't know the answer I think

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I have a question you mentioned the

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importance of Anatomy I agree with that

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however are there any differences in the

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competency on these tests or otherwise

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and healers who know their Anatomy and

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those who don't

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we've never analyzed it for that I

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actually that's one of the things that

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I've got in the works as we do an

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evaluative questionnaire for the next

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set of tests

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I want more background than I've got

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we've been taking Reiki lineage but we

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actually have not been doing healer

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training except for when we asked them

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for the alphabet soup after their names

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and in general nursing and medical

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practitioners obviously in terms of the

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body read are going to be more competent

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they're used to diagnostic criterion you

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know massage therapists physical

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therapists things like that the lay

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practitioners it will depend on the

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level of clairvoyant skill that they've

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got and if they're actually able to see

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internal to the body the difficulty is

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it's actually illegal for them to make a

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diagnosis so getting them to talk about

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something more than oh I see a little

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heat over here which is appropriate for

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their level of certification and

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licensure it's not appropriate for them

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to go deeper than that so we have an

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aspect of that that needs to be dealt

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with within the testing process okay one

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more question is there variability in

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the performance of the healers on these

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measures and if you test them on one day

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it's gonna be different in another day

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can be some in the gdv particularly a

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few tests at different times of day you

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may get a different level of spectrum

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analysis you may get a different area of

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density and things like that that is a

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known issue with the gdv it's been well

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documented so when we retest we do try

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and retest at the same time of day in

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terms of the RF field no we haven't seen

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the difference with that we haven't seen

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I've seen a difference in the tri-axial

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meter one of the tri-axial meter

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concerns I have is gravitational force

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magnetic fields and fluctuations within

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the standard magnetic field of the earth

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and the way in which the ionosphere is

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impacting earth fields at this point I

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haven't done enough analysis against

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that and against the areas where the

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data is taken there may be a secondary

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effect for that as well